NPR’s A Martinez speaks with historian Oleksa Drachewych in regards to the Kremlin’s place on a doable peace deal to finish the conflict in Ukraine.
A MARTÍNEZ, HOST:
Does Russia even need peace? Many analysts are asking this query as diplomatic efforts proceed to return up brief again and again. Oleksa Drachewych is a type of analysts. He is a historical past lecturer at Western College in Ontario, Canada, the place he focuses on Soviet and trendy European overseas coverage. So let’s begin with that huge query. Do you assume, Oleksa, that Russia even desires peace between it and Ukraine?
OLEKSA DRACHEWYCH: Solely on their phrases, to place it bluntly.
MARTÍNEZ: Yeah. And questioning on the subject of Russia and what they’re attempting to realize then by means of this course of, what do you assume first it means in respect to Ukraine?
DRACHEWYCH: So with reference to Ukraine, it is a chance for them to place some extra stress onto Ukraine. I feel they take that the Trump administration’s need to convey peace in Ukraine is reputable, and they also’re utilizing it, for essentially the most half, to place plenty of the stress again onto Ukraine by making them seem – Russia, that is – making Russia seem that they are not less than prepared to have interaction. However in actuality, they’re type of retaining the method transferring on, perhaps seeing what the People will both facet with them on. For instance, earlier this yr, earlier than actual negotiations occurred, we heard American representatives discuss how NATO wouldn’t be within the playing cards or territorial swaps would want be – would want to occur to convey peace. That was again within the spring. And we have seen that type of be a constant factor for the People to convey up. Clearly, that is gone forwards and backwards, because the Ukrainians have then engaged in the identical type of administration of the connection they’ve with the Trump administration as effectively.
MARTÍNEZ: , I feel again to the NATO summit of 2008 in Romania. That is when the U.S. was advocating for a path for NATO citizenship for Ukraine, and Vladimir Putin advised President Bush that, quote, “Ukraine shouldn’t be even a rustic.” So after I take into consideration that, I am questioning, Oleksa, what do you assume Vladimir Putin desires Ukraine to be?
DRACHEWYCH: Finally, a vassal state, or not less than a impartial state with important Russian affect. He is even, within the final week once more highlighted how he would not see the Zelenskyy authorities as a reputable authorities. After we have a look at additionally the peace course of extra broadly, he – it is clear that Putin and the Russians wish to negotiate with the People. In an ideal world, I feel they want to see the People and the Russians dictate phrases to Ukraine and say, take it or depart it. That is the most effective you are going to get. Even Putin would not actually appear to be negotiating with the Europeans, would not appear to wish to. He desires to return to an incredible energy system the place Russia mattered equally to america. And on this case that he desires a Ukraine that both goes to be destabilized by Russian presence ultimately, form or kind, or one that will not have the ability to essentially actually shield itself within the occasion that Russia decides to proceed hostilities.
MARTÍNEZ: So is it honest to say that Vladimir Putin, on the subject of Ukraine, would really like one other model of what he has in Belarus?
DRACHEWYCH: One thing like that, undoubtedly. And that actually hasn’t modified ever because the escalation started in February of 2022. He has often tried to delegitimize the Zelenskyy authorities, and there is type of been numerous theories which have floated round since that second of who is perhaps tapped from why they’re placing in Viktor Yanukovych once more, Viktor Medvedchuk or different candidates have been reported, that there would possibly even be type of this puppet regime that might be type of what the perfect was. With that not being the case, issues like, for instance, the potential elections that may occur every time there is perhaps peace could possibly be a method for the Russians to additionally affect that course of to have a extra pro-Russian candidate.
MARTÍNEZ: Another factor, Oleksa. Only a few seconds to go. Within the occasion {that a} deal is signed, and with out figuring out, clearly, what’s in it and what – who agrees to what, do you assume Russia may be relied to uphold a deal they signal?
DRACHEWYCH: Thus far, I’ve not seen something that might recommend that is truly the case. Even a number of the unique factors of the 28-point peace course of made me type of involved in that they lend themselves to Russia manipulating the method to primarily break any type of a peace deal. By this, which means the long-range strikes on St. Petersburg or Moscow being a possible concern, or the claims that Ukraine would want to denazify. Nicely, what does that imply from the Russian angle versus just about everybody else when Ukraine would not have a Nazi authorities? Basically, I do not see Russia truly holding an excessive amount of at this level.
MARTÍNEZ: That is Oleksa Drachewych. He is a historical past lecturer at Western College. Thanks very a lot.
DRACHEWYCH: Thanks.
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